Is "Rock" the big genre name and "Rock and Roll" is a subgenre/division of it?
Or is it the other way around?
Or are they the same thing?
BQ: Favorite "Rock" band?
BQ2: Favorite "Rock and Roll" band?"Rock" vs "Rock and Roll": Are they the same? Is one more inclusive than the other?
I think of "Rock and Roll" as the 50's stuff like Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly (and then the early forms of British Invasion bands etc.) which was the primordial stepping stone to "Rock" in all it's diverse forms. I'm not sure if you could say R%26amp;R continued as a subgenre of the now broader "Rock", or if it died as Rock was born.
BQ: King Crimson, indeed, the fact that they can be called "Rock" is a testament to it's diversity.
BQ2: Early Beatles
It's not so simple question, because both terms have many different meanings.
In the traditional meaning both words mean just the same ("rock" is just a shorter form of "rock and roll") - the whole group of many different kinds of music, which include for example: earliest rock (e.g. Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, Little Richard), British Invasion music (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones), psychedelic rock (Jimi Hendrix, The Doors), punk rock (Sex Pistols, Ramones), grunge (Nirvana), modern rock (The White Stripes, Muse), Heavy Metal (Metallica, Slayer, Behemoth) and many, many other divisions.
But nowadays those terms are also often used to call only one division of rock (in traditional meaning). Sometimes when people say "rock and roll" they are thinking only about the oldest form (Berry, Presley, Richard). And when they say "rock" they are thinking about the music that was invented in 60s (mainly by The Beatles) and newer styles (but usually without the most distant genres like punk or metal).
Recently some people even started to say that sub-genres called "hard rock", "psychedelic rock", "alternative rock" etc. are not "rock" (to be honest, I often laugh at them).
Also some people may say that "rock" or "rock and roll" is the whole division of music including the oldest artists like Berry, Presley, newer like Beatles or Stones, and everything newer (White Stripes, Muse etc.), but excluding punk and metal (maybe also grunge or something other).
As you see, it is all messed up, because some people try to change the meaning of words from time to time. But I strongly recommend to use terms "rock" and "rock and roll" in the first, traditional meaning. Professional musicians usually use it in this way.
BQ(2): My favourite rock artists are: Chuck Berry, Neu!, Jimi Hendrix."Rock" vs "Rock and Roll": Are they the same? Is one more inclusive than the other?
it's just a name...it's all rock and roll to me. they are the same thing, but if you wanted to call one more inclusive it would be rock and roll just by virtue of the fact it was the first label given.
ba: paul butterfield blues band
ba2: stevie ray vaughan and double trouble
rock and roll started the whole "Rock" Genre
BQ:i have too many
BQ2:i have too many but so far the beatles and the cars"Rock" vs "Rock and Roll": Are they the same? Is one more inclusive than the other?
Rock and Roll is 50's early Rock, Rock is what it has grown into. A giant genre.
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